From april at earth.sinica.edu.tw  Mon Jun 16 00:19:05 2008
From: april at earth.sinica.edu.tw (Li-Mei Chen)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 22:19:05 +0800
Subject: [Mailman] join MAMS Testbed Federation
Message-ID: <20080615135301.M96835@earth.sinica.edu.tw>


Dear Mailman:

  I am a senior librarian from the Institute of Earth Sciences, Academia 
Sinica (http://www.sinica.edu.tw/main_e.shtml.) We have a very small pilot 
project titled "Federated access management for electronic resources: the 
feasibility of applying Shibboleth in the education and research community 
in Taiwan" funded by the National Science Council, Taiwan. 

   We are trying to set up the IdP and select some Shibboleth participating 
publishers like Elsevier and Thomson ISI to see how Shibboleth is operated 
between the libraries and publishers. The purpose of the study is to raise 
people's attention on the importance of e-resource security and user privacy 
in Taiwan.  

   We have almost set up the IdP in our library IP: 140.109.80.153 
and the problem now we encounter is that we have to create a vitual 
federation or join a federation.  I have contacted Mr. Nate Klingenstein 
from the Internet2 and Mr. Vries, Ale de, Elsevier Product Manager and they 
gave me some suggestions and advices. Elsevier will let us test their 
resource (see e-mail below) but we have to join a federation first.  We 
would like to temporary join MAMS Testbed Federation to test Shibboleth.  
Would you let me know it is possible to do that and what kind of documents 
we need to prepare? 

   Thank you very much for your attention and help. 

  Li-Mei Chen 
  Senior Librarian 
  Institute of Earth Sciences 
  Academia Sinica 
  P.O. Box 1-55, Nankang 
  Taipei, Taiwan  115 
  TEL: 886-2-27899773 
  FAX: 886-2-27885945 
  e-mail: april at earth.sinica.edu.tw 
  website: http://www.earth.sinica.edu.tw 
    


    

??: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:15:45 +0200   
???: "Vries, Ale de" <ale at elsevier.com>         
???: <april at earth.sinica.edu.tw> 
??: RE: federation  ????   
  
Dear Li-Mei, 

There used to be an international test federation - InQueue - but that 
was deactivated some time ago. It might be possible for you to become a 
temporary member of one of the established national federations that we 
work with; these national federations are primarily meant for 
universities in those countries - but maybe not exclusively, and you 
might want to ask them for advise on this. 

Two federations we already work with are the UK Federation 
(http://www.ukfederation.org/) and InCommon in the USA 
(www.incommonfederation.org). Arguably a bit closer to home is the 
Australian federation 
(http://www.federation.org.au/FedManager/jsp/index.jsp), but we have not 
established any integration with them yet (although we would like to at 
some point). Mainland China also has a federation in the making 
(http://shibboleth.edu.cn/), but I do not know if that would be a 
suitable option given the political situation between your two 
countries. 

Let me know if I can help further with this. 

Best, Ale 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Li-Mei Chen [mailto:april at earth.sinica.edu.tw] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 18:10 
To: Vries, Ale de 
Subject: federation 

Dear Ale: 

 It's me again.  From what I understand your meaning is that I have to 
either establish a virtualfederation or join a federation. Do you have 
any suggestion for which federation to be joined? ... "[W]e do need an 
entity that at least deploys signed site metadata, and with whom we 
co-ordinate the use of certificates and agree on attributes to be used." 
Do you have any suggestion about how to start then I can join your 
Elsevier's Shibboleth test? 

 Any suggestions would be great! 

 Best wishes, 

 Li-Mei Chen 
 Senior Librarian 
 Institute of Earth Sciences 
 Academia Sinica 
 P.O. Box 1-55, Nankang 
 Taipei, Taiwan  115 
 TEL: 886-2-27899773 
 FAX: 886-2-27885945 
 e-mail: april at earth.sinica.edu.tw 
 website: http://www.earth.sinica.edu.tw 
    

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vries, Ale de [mailto:ale at elsevier.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:28 AM 
To: april at earth.sinica.edu.tw 
Subject: RE: shibboleth test 

Dear Li Mei: 

I am afraid that we actually do not have a test federation. We are 
willing to assist our customers in running tests with Shibboleth 
software, but  for that, at least some sort of federation needs to be 
established first. This could be a simple virtual federation at your end 
with only your library as an Identity Provider - but we do need an entity 
that at least deploys signed site metadata, and with whom we co-ordinate the 
use of certificates and agree on attributes to be used. 
If such a test federation, however small, does not yet exist for use to 
work with, I am afraid that we cannot be of much assistance to you. 

Please let me know if you would like to discuss this further, 

Best regards - Ale 

Senior Product Manager 
Platform & Content 

ELSEVIER 

Radarweg 29          T: +31 20 485 3644 
1043 NX Amsterdam    M: +31 6 1225 2117 
The Netherlands      @: ale at elsevier.com